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Firstly, the countries (and armies) involved:

Germany:
   Wehrmacht
   Waffen-SS
   Fallschirmjaeger
Japan:
   Imperial Army
UK
   Royal Army
USA
   US Army
   US Marine Corps
USSR
   Red Army
   Red Army Guards Corps

On some maps, Italian weapons would be available to the Waffen-SS (the so-called SS Italiene Division that saw service in Italy in 1944-45).  Also on some (i.e., early-war or Africa) maps, the Brits could also use French weapons.  Only two countries would be allowed on any map, but multiple armies might possibly be incorporated on any one map.

Now, the classes and their weapons:

Rifleman:
   Wehrmacht - K 98k w/ either bayonet or rifle-grenade launcher, Luger pistol, hand grenades, spade
   Waffen-SS - K 43 w/ either silencer or rifle-butt, Walther P 38 pistol, hand grenades, knife
   Fallschirmjaeger - FG 42 w/ bayonet, Mauser pistol, hand grenades, knife
   Imperial Army - Arisaka Type 38 w/ bayonet or rifle-grenade launcher, Nambu pistol, hand grenades, sword
   Royal Army - SMLE No.4 w/ bayonet or rifle-grenade launcher, Webley & Scott revolver, hand grenades, knife
   US Army - Garand w/ either rifle-grenade launcher or rifle-butt, Colt 1911 pistol, grenades, knife
   US Marines - Johnson 1941 w/ bayonet or rifle-butt, Smith & Wesson revolver, grenades, knife
   Red Army - Mosin-Nagant M1891 w/ bayonet, TT-33 pistol, grenades, spade
   Guards - SVT rifle w/ bayonet or rifle-butt, Nagant revolver, grenades, spade
   French (as an option to Brits) - MAS 1936 rifle w/ bayonet, or rifle-grenade launcher
   Italian (as an option to SS) - Carcano M/38 rifle w/ bayonet or rifle-butt

Assault:
   Wehrmacht - MP 40 (either clear or with silencer), Luger pistol, hand grenades, Panzerfaust OR leGrW 36, spade
   Waffen-SS - StG 44 (w/ bayonet or silencer), Walther P 38 pistol, hand grenades, Panzerfaust OR FlW 41 flame-thrower , knife
   Fallschirmjaeger - FG 42 w/ bipod, Mauser pistol, hand grenades, Panzerfaust OR Eintossflammwerfer, knife
   Imperial Army - Type 100 SMG, Nambu pistol, hand grenades, Type 89 Knee Mortar or Type 100 flame-thrower, sword
   Royal Army - Sten Mk. II (w/ silencer or clear) OR Thompson 1928, Webley & Scott revolver, hand grenades, , No. 2 "Life-buoy" flame-thrower OR 2-in mortar, knife
   US Army - Thompson OR M3A1 "Grease-Gun", Colt 1911 pistol, hand grenades, bangalores OR gammon bomb, knife
   US Marines - Reising SMG OR shotgun, Smith & Wesson revolver, hand grenades, M-2 flame-thrower, knife
   Red Army - PPSh 41, TT-33 pistol, hand grenades, RKG-43 grenade, spade
   Guards - PPS 43 SMG, Nagant revolver, grenades, PM-40 light mortar OR ROKS-3 flame-thrower, spade
   French (as an option to Brits) - MAS 38 SMG
   Italians (as an option to SS) - Breda M/38 SMG

Support:
   Wehrmacht - MG 34 OR MG 42, Luger pistol, hand grenades, spade
   Waffen-SS - MG 42 OR MG 81, Walther P 38 pistol, hand grenades, knife
   Fallschirmjaeger - MG 34 or MG 15, Mauser pistol, hand grenades, knife
   Imperial Army - Type 99, Nambu pistol, hand grenades, sword
   Royal Army - Bren Mk. 1, Webley & Scott pistol, hand grenades, knife
   US Army - BAR OR Browning M1919A6, Colt 1911 pistol, hand grenades, knife
   US Marines - Johnson LMG or BAR, Smith & Wesson revolver, hand grenades, knife
   Red Army - DP 27 LMG, TT-33 pistol, hand grenades, spade
   Guards - AVS 36 rifle or DP 27 LMG, Nagant pistol, hand grenades, spade
   French (as an option to Brits) - Chatellerault M/24 LMG
   Italians (as an option to SS) - Breda M/30 LMG

Sniper:
   Wehrmacht - K 98k scoped OR StG 44 scoped, Luger pistol, grenades, spade
   Waffen-SS - K 43 scoped, Walther P 38 pistol, grenades, knife
   Fallschirmjaeger - FG 42 scoped OR StG 44 IR scope, Mauser pistol, hand grenades, knife
   Imperial Army - Type 99 scoped, Nambu pistol, hand grenades, sword
   Royal Army - SMLE No 4 scoped, Webley & Scott revolver, hand grenades, knife
   US Army - Springfield scoped OR Garand scoped, Colt 1911 pistol, hand grenades, knife
   US Marines - Springfield USMC scoped OR M1 Carbine IR scope, Smith & Wesson revolver, hand grenades, knife
   Red Army - Mosin-Nagant M-91/30 scoped, TT-33 pistol, hand grenades, spade
   Guards - SVT-40 scoped, Nagant revolver, hand grenades, spade
   French (as an option to Brits) Lebel 1886 scoped
   Italians (as an option to SS) M/91 scoped

Gunner:
   Wehrmacht - Panzershrek, Kar 98k or Mauser "Broomhandle", Luger pistol, grenades, spade
   Waffen-SS - Panzershrek, VG 1-5 assault rifle OR G 41 rifle, Walther P 38 pistol, grenades, knife
   Fallschirmjaeger - Panzershrek, MP 40 SMG OR MKb42(H), Mauser pistol, grenades, knife
   Imperial Army - Type 97 ATR, Type 38 Para, Nambu pistol, grenades, sword
   Royal Army - PIAT, No.5 carbine or Lanchester SMG, Webley & Scott pistol, grenades, knife
   US Army - Bazooka, M1 carbine, hand grenades, knife
   US Marines - Bazooka, M3A1 Grease-Gun, hand grenades, knife
   Red Army - PTRD ATR, M-1944 carbine, hand grenades, spade
   Guards - PTRS ATR, SKS carbine, hand grenades, spade
   French (as an option to Brits) Boys ATR
   Italians (as an option to SS) Solothurn ATR, M/91 TS carbine

whew... I know its quite a list , but there you go.

eraser wrote:

Pretty well perfect IMO.
What would differentiate the Wehrmacht and the SS?

Weapons, my friend.  See the REALLY big post?

Skins would be different too.

edited the weapons list to add a couple of light mortars to assault class, and flame-throwers (I think HL2 could have a REALLY cool effect for this one).  Also removed the MKb42(H) from the FJ Gunner - this weapon would be cool, but it never saw service in WWII

Tobruk: British Vs German (What would the Afrika Korps count as? Regular?)

the other thing I'd like to see is a sort of "map pack" series.

something like this:

BF 1942 Map Pack (maps from BF42 converted to Source)
CC1/2/3 Map Pack (all our favourite maps from the CC series converted to Source)
perhaps some "movie-theme map packs" like an Enemy at the Gates map pack, a Saving Private Ryan map pack, or a Band of Brothers map pack

It so must be the NVKD people, because they had bowties, and yah...

edited the list to include a limited number of weapons (including the K 43 rifle and the MP 40) that were sometimes used with a silencer.  The trade-off should be self-evident: silencers eliminate muzzle-flash and decrease noise, but also decrease hitting power.  In some weapons (i.e. Sten) firing extended automatic bursts with a silencer would incur an overheating problem like the MG 42.  Also re-added the MKb42, as I discovered that it did indeed see limited service with the Germans in 42-43, and re-named the G 43 as the K 43 - a minor, almost esoteric concern, but seeing as the vast majority of German "43" semi-automatic rifles were produced under the K 43 designation, there you go - and added the semi-automatic G 41 as an SS Gunner's option.